_Computer code gets computer viruses (whether accidentally or intentionally) and it makes sense that genetic code should be prone to getting biological viruses in a similar way.
_I got into studying natural health in 1977 via Natural Hygiene, which was promoted mostly by Dr. Herbert M. Shelton and later by Dr. Virginia Vetrano and T.C. Fry. I continued to follow Natural Hygiene until 1996, when my health deteriorated on a vegan diet, which they promoted. T.C. Fry had argued that virus theory is absurd because he compared it to a flea on an elephant taking over the elephant to duplicate a mountain of more fleas out of the elephant's body. I never completely bought that position, but it seemed plausible.
CHANGED MIND.
_Starting in 1997 I red books by Dr. Leonard Horowitz about AIDS, Ebola, CJD, prions etc and I gathered that viruses are real.
_On Bitchute.com just a couple months ago I saw a short video interview of Dr. Tom Cowan in which he discussed Dr. Harold Hillman's findings that microbiology is erroneous because stains, centrifugation, electron microscopy etc produce artificial formations in cells and tissues that are not natural parts of living tissues. Viruses are imaged with electron microscopes, but they heat specimens with bombardment of electrons, which fries them, so they are bound to be greatly distorted, maybe comparable to the difference between a live human body and a corpse that's been around for a while.
_I made a post on this matter, called Is Microbiology Sound, at https://ilki.substack.com/p/is-microbiology-real . It includes links to some of Dr. Hillman's videos and his papers and to an MIT news article from 2009 about the damaging effects of electron microscopy.
_Dr. Cowan used Dr. Hillman's findings to support his view that viruses are not real, but I continue to think viruses are real for the reason I stated at the beginning as well as because of the great amount of info that seems to be known about viruses & diseases. I think viruses are generally only dangerous when our nutrition is lacking or our genome is damaged. However, it seems plausible that viruses could evolve or be weaponized to become severely parasitic or predatory, killing their hosts. There seems to be good evidence that AIDS viruses, Ebola etc are weaponized and Covid seems to be a less severe weaponized virus.
_One of the smartest people I know of, James Sloane, says cancer is caused mostly by viruses. He also says ozone therapy from a cold corona ozone generator is the best treatment for most cancers, but he also says the herb chaparral is very good for cancer. Also, Pau d'Arco etc. Dr. Eric Berg in some Youtube videos says cancer is usually caused by damage to mitochondria. So there's lots of food for thought.
Sep 5, 2022·edited Sep 5, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
I used to think viruses exist because that's what I was taught and experience seems to confirm it. I've seen the same sickness travel through my family on many occasions. But I'll admit the "no such thing as a virus" people have some good points. I think there is some kind of dance between terrain and pathogen that we don't fully understand yet and more study is needed. Kind of a weasel opinion, I know, but I feel like that's where we are.
Viruses DO exist. Those who deny their existence can put their knowledge and faith to the test by allowing themselves to be bitten by an animal known to be rabid. Case closed. And the coffin too.
To me it’s a non-issue whether viruses exist or not. It’s like debating whether “climate change” is man-made or natural. Both “sides” ignore self and collective responsibility for getting consistent, long term, wholistic positive results. In the case of climate, that would mean minimizing pollution, reducing waste from all sources and changing manufacturing practices to cradle to cradle systems and creating more efficient, less toxic ways to produce needed goods and services or possibly rethink what we actually need and where we are simply doing things out of habit or from someone else’s profit motive without considering the total costs of our ”way of life”.
As regards “viruses”, “exosomes” or what have you, it doesn’t matter when you comprehend that optimal health is the best possible balance of toxin avoidance and removal and nutritional repletion. This includes not just diet, but one’s total environment, internal and external such as thoughts, emotions, trauma and its resolution, sunlight, hydration, mineral status, movement, exercise, breathing, air and water quality, frequency, rest, sleep, relaxation, meditative or contemplative habits, past and present relationships, etc. In other words, neither illness or health exist in a vacuum with singular causes and effects. Taking the time to figure this out for myself and continue to learn and apply has led to me not having even a sniffle in over thirty years and not requiring any medical attention in over forty. Kept doing what I know works throughout this prolonged period of upheaval and didn’t do any of the things so many insisted were necessary with the result that I am stronger and healthier than ever (and I was already off the high end of the charts for health and fitness) and no one I know who practiced all the “mandated things” can truly state that, if they are still even alive. I don’t believe in viruses or no viruses. I know what actually creates the results I seek. Somehow everyone wants to argue, but no one cares about demonstrable results. That’s all I care about. If your results are better than mine, I want to listen to you. If they are not, maybe you should listen to me…
It isn't known at this time. Let scientists keep working on it. The real question is, why is this question dividing people who are being genocided? Who started the silly food fight that keeps our attention off the people trying to kill us? My personal opinion: I have caught many colds, and often I know who I caught it from. It wasn't because I was unhealthy or had emotional problems, but because someone who had a cold was near me. Maybe terrain has an effect too, since I don't always catch colds from people who have them and are near me. But when I do, it doesn't seem random, it looks like causation. So I usually avoid people who are sneezing, I guess I do believe in viruses. But so what, the government is trying to kill me, and getting involved in a scientific feud is silly.
Excellent book, THE MOTH IN THE IRON LUNG, makes a great case that nearly all cases of polio were NOT caused by the polio virus. Most were caused by environmental poison! And studies showed that only about one quarter of patients who were paralyzed tested positive for the polio virus. Turns out there are many other viruses that can paralyze. FDR showed symptoms inconsistent with polio and was most likely poisoned by summertime fruit that had been sprayed.
Viruses don't exist (by Dr Thomas Cowan and others, allegedly via Rudolf Steiner) - Viral sickness is a cyclical detox that can be triggered by seasons in conjunction with cellular necessity. Proximity to a tribesman in detox signals a safe time for the rest of the tribe to also detox. Also the things we call viruses are a detox assistant machine created by our cells.
The irony of the Steiner theory is that detox is transmissible like a virus, almost like the Greek miasma (contagious darkness of the soul). The detox machine theory also invokes behavior comparable to a virus. Even the notion of a "DNA upgrade" for detoxing that is sharable but kills some people begs the question of quarantine.
Do viruses exist? Is the wrong question perhaps because both theories "agree" on some parts. The important part is why are viruses inconsequential for some and not others? Are viruses a crucial part of the organism or something to be eliminated? And are lab made viruses breaking the natural paradigm?
I don't think the question is whether or not viruses exist, but whether or not they are contagions. People have clearly identified particles under microscopes that were called virions.
Changed my mind from do not know.... to more hopelessly confused than before.
Analogous to fierce sedevacantist argument... how will we get a true pope: very imperfect conclave? Traitor apostate false cardinals miraculously converting to Catholic faith? Direct intervention of God.
All of it... I am very limited, but Gates with a needle 🪡 in his hand grinning AIN'T A COMFORTING LOOK.
I have a BS in Biology from a major Big Ten college and I have seen viruses under a microscope. Not your average $300 microscope, but I have seen them move and some "vibrate." They are extremely small, which why masks were quite ineffective. Viruses could march fifty wide through a mask and never touch a fiber of the mask.
I'm 69 and my wife is 68. She was an OB RN for 44 years and I was a paramedic for 12 years and an Emergency Room RN for 27 years.
I have seen active bacteria under a microscope and active viruses under a special microscopes.
I have heard both sides of the argument. Both have points. I have come to the conclusion that they DO exist. I think the immune system is real and if it is depleted it cannot keep viruses at bay.
I believe viruses do exist because I've seen a variety of sicknesses start with one family member then spread through the rest of us!!! Chicken pox parties would be a good example as well seems like those existed 🙃
VIRUSES EXIST (and are contagious), however, maintaining one’s general physical health is key for proper immune function. A properly functioning immune system is likely to clear viruses with minimal or no symptoms.
Additionally viruses are around us all the time, so likelihood of becoming ill from them is probably more dependent on one’s immune health than on viral exposure (although exposure is of course necessary).
I remember as a kid telling a friend’s mom that my dad told me not to stand out in the cold or I’d catch a cold. “That’s stupid, colds are a virus, you can’t catch it just from going outside” she replied. But in fact I probably would be more susceptible to viral illness by stressing my body out in that way, since maintaining one’s core body temperature in cold conditions is very bioenergetically expensive (thus taking away resources from the immune system).
UNSURE but lean towards VIRUSES existing. Here is why.
I worked as a medic in an army camp (Actually quite a few over the years) but this one in particular was the first port of call for the recruits and officer cadets in training. So we had large numbers of young men coming in and out all year round. Usually in the hundreds at a time.
Anyway, can you imagine what happens when you get hundreds of young men and women and put them together in a few closely connected barracks?
You get outbreaks. And I saw quite a number of these over the years.
I saw scabies outbreaks. Which is a parasite not a virus
I saw noravirus/gastro outbreaks. Quite frequently. Who knows could be bacteria or a toxin and not a virus. We tested for bacterial infections but those routinely came back negative.
I also saw what was allegedly swine flu too going back to 2008/9ish
All outbreaks were primarily dealt to with quarantine and decontamination. Tis the army way.
Scabies for example. Was to remove the obviously infected and put them in another smaller barracks until they didn't show symptoms (quarantine). Prophylactically treated the rest of the barracks with permethrin. Then strip and decontaminate the barracks and all clothing and linen was hot washed.
Norovirus was similar. Those sick were put in the small ward at the treatment center and were treated as needed, most of them just needed to rest and be warm for a couple of days. A couple needed IV saline and other treatments. The barracks and toilets/ablutions were thoroughly decontaminated. No other treatment beyond corrective retraining in field hygiene practices for all the others. Lucky them.
The swine flu outbreak we had actually occured in a senior NCO course which was smaller (50ish) and had older more experienced soldiers. They were housed/quarantined in their own barracks separate from those who were not sick (quarantine) and as a medic I delivered their meals and took periodic observations and handed out basic medicines as needed. Most were fine. A couple had nasty fevers. All recovered.
All scenarios eventually ended. Removing the sick individuals from the majority into quarantine worked. It didn't continue or spread throughout the rest of the camp. If this is not viral contagion... How? What else made this work?
Also the similarity in the environmental conditions and food eaten. I just don't see how terrain theory alone explains this
Sep 5, 2022·edited Sep 5, 2022Liked by Igor Chudov
Viruses definitely do exist. This leads to a grave concern of mine throughout the whole pandemic: not only those who deny the existence of covid, but virii entirely. I'm not sure where the idea began that no one had isolated the covid virus, but it began somewhere and many seemed to latch onto it for some reason, in what appeared to me to be a rationalization towards it being engineered by humans.. But then if its engineered and not a virus, what is it? Just a toxin? That catch all pseodoscience phrase in league with holistic mumbo jumbo...
VIRUSES EXIST.
_Computer code gets computer viruses (whether accidentally or intentionally) and it makes sense that genetic code should be prone to getting biological viruses in a similar way.
_I got into studying natural health in 1977 via Natural Hygiene, which was promoted mostly by Dr. Herbert M. Shelton and later by Dr. Virginia Vetrano and T.C. Fry. I continued to follow Natural Hygiene until 1996, when my health deteriorated on a vegan diet, which they promoted. T.C. Fry had argued that virus theory is absurd because he compared it to a flea on an elephant taking over the elephant to duplicate a mountain of more fleas out of the elephant's body. I never completely bought that position, but it seemed plausible.
CHANGED MIND.
_Starting in 1997 I red books by Dr. Leonard Horowitz about AIDS, Ebola, CJD, prions etc and I gathered that viruses are real.
_On Bitchute.com just a couple months ago I saw a short video interview of Dr. Tom Cowan in which he discussed Dr. Harold Hillman's findings that microbiology is erroneous because stains, centrifugation, electron microscopy etc produce artificial formations in cells and tissues that are not natural parts of living tissues. Viruses are imaged with electron microscopes, but they heat specimens with bombardment of electrons, which fries them, so they are bound to be greatly distorted, maybe comparable to the difference between a live human body and a corpse that's been around for a while.
_I made a post on this matter, called Is Microbiology Sound, at https://ilki.substack.com/p/is-microbiology-real . It includes links to some of Dr. Hillman's videos and his papers and to an MIT news article from 2009 about the damaging effects of electron microscopy.
_Dr. Cowan used Dr. Hillman's findings to support his view that viruses are not real, but I continue to think viruses are real for the reason I stated at the beginning as well as because of the great amount of info that seems to be known about viruses & diseases. I think viruses are generally only dangerous when our nutrition is lacking or our genome is damaged. However, it seems plausible that viruses could evolve or be weaponized to become severely parasitic or predatory, killing their hosts. There seems to be good evidence that AIDS viruses, Ebola etc are weaponized and Covid seems to be a less severe weaponized virus.
_One of the smartest people I know of, James Sloane, says cancer is caused mostly by viruses. He also says ozone therapy from a cold corona ozone generator is the best treatment for most cancers, but he also says the herb chaparral is very good for cancer. Also, Pau d'Arco etc. Dr. Eric Berg in some Youtube videos says cancer is usually caused by damage to mitochondria. So there's lots of food for thought.
I used to think viruses exist because that's what I was taught and experience seems to confirm it. I've seen the same sickness travel through my family on many occasions. But I'll admit the "no such thing as a virus" people have some good points. I think there is some kind of dance between terrain and pathogen that we don't fully understand yet and more study is needed. Kind of a weasel opinion, I know, but I feel like that's where we are.
Viruses DO exist. Those who deny their existence can put their knowledge and faith to the test by allowing themselves to be bitten by an animal known to be rabid. Case closed. And the coffin too.
To me it’s a non-issue whether viruses exist or not. It’s like debating whether “climate change” is man-made or natural. Both “sides” ignore self and collective responsibility for getting consistent, long term, wholistic positive results. In the case of climate, that would mean minimizing pollution, reducing waste from all sources and changing manufacturing practices to cradle to cradle systems and creating more efficient, less toxic ways to produce needed goods and services or possibly rethink what we actually need and where we are simply doing things out of habit or from someone else’s profit motive without considering the total costs of our ”way of life”.
As regards “viruses”, “exosomes” or what have you, it doesn’t matter when you comprehend that optimal health is the best possible balance of toxin avoidance and removal and nutritional repletion. This includes not just diet, but one’s total environment, internal and external such as thoughts, emotions, trauma and its resolution, sunlight, hydration, mineral status, movement, exercise, breathing, air and water quality, frequency, rest, sleep, relaxation, meditative or contemplative habits, past and present relationships, etc. In other words, neither illness or health exist in a vacuum with singular causes and effects. Taking the time to figure this out for myself and continue to learn and apply has led to me not having even a sniffle in over thirty years and not requiring any medical attention in over forty. Kept doing what I know works throughout this prolonged period of upheaval and didn’t do any of the things so many insisted were necessary with the result that I am stronger and healthier than ever (and I was already off the high end of the charts for health and fitness) and no one I know who practiced all the “mandated things” can truly state that, if they are still even alive. I don’t believe in viruses or no viruses. I know what actually creates the results I seek. Somehow everyone wants to argue, but no one cares about demonstrable results. That’s all I care about. If your results are better than mine, I want to listen to you. If they are not, maybe you should listen to me…
It isn't known at this time. Let scientists keep working on it. The real question is, why is this question dividing people who are being genocided? Who started the silly food fight that keeps our attention off the people trying to kill us? My personal opinion: I have caught many colds, and often I know who I caught it from. It wasn't because I was unhealthy or had emotional problems, but because someone who had a cold was near me. Maybe terrain has an effect too, since I don't always catch colds from people who have them and are near me. But when I do, it doesn't seem random, it looks like causation. So I usually avoid people who are sneezing, I guess I do believe in viruses. But so what, the government is trying to kill me, and getting involved in a scientific feud is silly.
Excellent book, THE MOTH IN THE IRON LUNG, makes a great case that nearly all cases of polio were NOT caused by the polio virus. Most were caused by environmental poison! And studies showed that only about one quarter of patients who were paralyzed tested positive for the polio virus. Turns out there are many other viruses that can paralyze. FDR showed symptoms inconsistent with polio and was most likely poisoned by summertime fruit that had been sprayed.
Viruses don't exist (by Dr Thomas Cowan and others, allegedly via Rudolf Steiner) - Viral sickness is a cyclical detox that can be triggered by seasons in conjunction with cellular necessity. Proximity to a tribesman in detox signals a safe time for the rest of the tribe to also detox. Also the things we call viruses are a detox assistant machine created by our cells.
The irony of the Steiner theory is that detox is transmissible like a virus, almost like the Greek miasma (contagious darkness of the soul). The detox machine theory also invokes behavior comparable to a virus. Even the notion of a "DNA upgrade" for detoxing that is sharable but kills some people begs the question of quarantine.
Do viruses exist? Is the wrong question perhaps because both theories "agree" on some parts. The important part is why are viruses inconsequential for some and not others? Are viruses a crucial part of the organism or something to be eliminated? And are lab made viruses breaking the natural paradigm?
I don't think the question is whether or not viruses exist, but whether or not they are contagions. People have clearly identified particles under microscopes that were called virions.
Viruses don't exist on the flat Earth.
It is our misfortune that we are somewhere else.
Changed my mind from do not know.... to more hopelessly confused than before.
Analogous to fierce sedevacantist argument... how will we get a true pope: very imperfect conclave? Traitor apostate false cardinals miraculously converting to Catholic faith? Direct intervention of God.
All of it... I am very limited, but Gates with a needle 🪡 in his hand grinning AIN'T A COMFORTING LOOK.
I have a BS in Biology from a major Big Ten college and I have seen viruses under a microscope. Not your average $300 microscope, but I have seen them move and some "vibrate." They are extremely small, which why masks were quite ineffective. Viruses could march fifty wide through a mask and never touch a fiber of the mask.
I'm 69 and my wife is 68. She was an OB RN for 44 years and I was a paramedic for 12 years and an Emergency Room RN for 27 years.
I have seen active bacteria under a microscope and active viruses under a special microscopes.
Thank you for the chance to weigh in here.
I have heard both sides of the argument. Both have points. I have come to the conclusion that they DO exist. I think the immune system is real and if it is depleted it cannot keep viruses at bay.
I believe viruses do exist because I've seen a variety of sicknesses start with one family member then spread through the rest of us!!! Chicken pox parties would be a good example as well seems like those existed 🙃
VIRUSES EXIST (and are contagious), however, maintaining one’s general physical health is key for proper immune function. A properly functioning immune system is likely to clear viruses with minimal or no symptoms.
Additionally viruses are around us all the time, so likelihood of becoming ill from them is probably more dependent on one’s immune health than on viral exposure (although exposure is of course necessary).
I remember as a kid telling a friend’s mom that my dad told me not to stand out in the cold or I’d catch a cold. “That’s stupid, colds are a virus, you can’t catch it just from going outside” she replied. But in fact I probably would be more susceptible to viral illness by stressing my body out in that way, since maintaining one’s core body temperature in cold conditions is very bioenergetically expensive (thus taking away resources from the immune system).
UNSURE but lean towards VIRUSES existing. Here is why.
I worked as a medic in an army camp (Actually quite a few over the years) but this one in particular was the first port of call for the recruits and officer cadets in training. So we had large numbers of young men coming in and out all year round. Usually in the hundreds at a time.
Anyway, can you imagine what happens when you get hundreds of young men and women and put them together in a few closely connected barracks?
You get outbreaks. And I saw quite a number of these over the years.
I saw scabies outbreaks. Which is a parasite not a virus
I saw noravirus/gastro outbreaks. Quite frequently. Who knows could be bacteria or a toxin and not a virus. We tested for bacterial infections but those routinely came back negative.
I also saw what was allegedly swine flu too going back to 2008/9ish
All outbreaks were primarily dealt to with quarantine and decontamination. Tis the army way.
Scabies for example. Was to remove the obviously infected and put them in another smaller barracks until they didn't show symptoms (quarantine). Prophylactically treated the rest of the barracks with permethrin. Then strip and decontaminate the barracks and all clothing and linen was hot washed.
Norovirus was similar. Those sick were put in the small ward at the treatment center and were treated as needed, most of them just needed to rest and be warm for a couple of days. A couple needed IV saline and other treatments. The barracks and toilets/ablutions were thoroughly decontaminated. No other treatment beyond corrective retraining in field hygiene practices for all the others. Lucky them.
The swine flu outbreak we had actually occured in a senior NCO course which was smaller (50ish) and had older more experienced soldiers. They were housed/quarantined in their own barracks separate from those who were not sick (quarantine) and as a medic I delivered their meals and took periodic observations and handed out basic medicines as needed. Most were fine. A couple had nasty fevers. All recovered.
All scenarios eventually ended. Removing the sick individuals from the majority into quarantine worked. It didn't continue or spread throughout the rest of the camp. If this is not viral contagion... How? What else made this work?
Also the similarity in the environmental conditions and food eaten. I just don't see how terrain theory alone explains this
Viruses definitely do exist. This leads to a grave concern of mine throughout the whole pandemic: not only those who deny the existence of covid, but virii entirely. I'm not sure where the idea began that no one had isolated the covid virus, but it began somewhere and many seemed to latch onto it for some reason, in what appeared to me to be a rationalization towards it being engineered by humans.. But then if its engineered and not a virus, what is it? Just a toxin? That catch all pseodoscience phrase in league with holistic mumbo jumbo...