In Denmark If you are asymptomatic vaxxed or immune (= prior positive PCR test) you don’t get tested even when admitted to hospital - the same is true in normal day life - only if you are a close contact or you have symptoms you have to be tested..
Unvaxxed has to be tested to og to work, restaurants and so on.., so there is a massive bias towards the unvaxxed in the danish numbers in generel..
Something is up. Both Yahoo and the Seattle Time are now reporting that Omicron seems to primarily infect the “vaccinated”- even ones with boosters. This seems like a big course change in the narrative. One has to wonder why. Is it all a set-up to bring Australian type lockdowns in the US? Midterm prep?
If it's true that omicron prefers vaccinated, and it's already 30% of London cases and growing, then this should show up soon in UKHSA numbers.....If it's followed by an uptick in severe illness and deaths, disproportionate to the increased absolute infections, then the "not so mild" theory may play out. The UK's population is much older than South Africa's, and much less healthy and fatter than Denmark's. The UK with their excellent data will be where we can see in real life how omicron is going to affect western countries. The panic has already begun of course, get your popcorn.....
I think Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is saying something similar here. Because I'm not equipped to paraphrase it, I'll just paste the relevant sentences and you can read the article.
"However, it cannot be ruled out that Omicron will cause a more serious course of disease in individuals who were enrolled in aggressive mass vaccination campaigns initiated earlier in the pandemic (e.g., in Israel, UK, USA), or who belong to age groups that will require more training of their innate Abs to achieve a higher level of affinity (e.g., children). At any rate, vaccinees would be more affected than the unvaccinated as, in contrast to the latter, vaccination in a context of a pandemic of highly infectious variants prevents vaccinees from further training their innate immune system"
We need to ask how one goes to a hospital admission in this case. Do they collapse and call an ambulance? Do they simply walk in and ask to be admitted? Or are these people there for a routine check up and admitted because the tests came positive? If it is people collapsing, the numbers are important. If it is 2nd or 3rd option, this is probably administrators playing mischief and seeking somebody-please-look-at-me attention.
I can't figure out why people still use and cite PCR case data for any type of useful analysis or conclusions. It's well established that PCR testing cannot establish between live and dead nuclei nor can it differentiate between flus, colds and covid. Test cycle thresholds are never mentioned alongside the data, and somehow everyone seems to forget that even the FDA has determined that PCR testing is not suitable for its purpose and is certainly useless at the 40+ levels that many public health authorities use. Why S-Gene Target Failure would be an omicron marker is beyond me since such target failures have existed long before the current omicron "discovery" and panic was created: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778599 Please explain to me why unspecified PCR data results are even worthy of analysis?
Do I eat my crow now, or wait a bit? I will gladly do so if omicron turns out to be "da thing". If it spreads so well among the vaxxed, the whole booster scheme and the mandate thing may fall on its face "prematurely"? So, it wasn't planned by Bill&WEF?.. Did we luck out, for once? Don't wake me up!
"Kaiser said Wednesday that the 11 infected members of its Oakland Medical Center staff were fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and had received booster shots." I find this interesting, it seems all 11 were 3 doses. This may explain why the Fauci cabal is trying to get the double vax'd boosted. It may indeed provide a small window of protection though I believe this window to get smaller with each dose based on the data out of Israel. Some of the double vax'd are a pretty good ways outside the 6 month window. If I had to take a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) at it I would bet many of these people outside the 6mo window have very weak immune systems.
I guess we’ll find out soon but those predicted hospitalization numbers are very concerning. The only light possibly being that the unvaccinated faring better but I’m sure that narrative will get twisted (and given almost all my family and friends are vaxxed I don’t want to see anyone sick)
Is asymptomatic infection really established or is it possibly presymptomatic or low symptomatic instead? If it's truly asymptomatic then the vaxx passports and vaxxed-only events are probably spreading Omicron, which might explain why it's hitting the vaxxed more--they are more likely to gather indoors. And of course, many if not most of them lack any logical thought and think they cannot get it from another vaccinated person.
Of course these numbers do not include those who are sick but just stay home and don't go to the doctor or hospital. So don't assume (and I know you don't) that these numbers are anything but a fraction of the infections.
Doesn’t this also show the ongoing trend of getting the 1st shot making you highly susceptible to any strain of exposed in near vaccination? In all data that breaks it out I’ve seen a trend from the beginning that these “unvaccinated” people who actually got the 1st shot make up a highly disproportionate percentage of positive symptomatic cases, hospitalizations, and deaths - are you seeing that, or am I misinterpreting the data?
In Denmark If you are asymptomatic vaxxed or immune (= prior positive PCR test) you don’t get tested even when admitted to hospital - the same is true in normal day life - only if you are a close contact or you have symptoms you have to be tested..
Unvaxxed has to be tested to og to work, restaurants and so on.., so there is a massive bias towards the unvaxxed in the danish numbers in generel..
Something is up. Both Yahoo and the Seattle Time are now reporting that Omicron seems to primarily infect the “vaccinated”- even ones with boosters. This seems like a big course change in the narrative. One has to wonder why. Is it all a set-up to bring Australian type lockdowns in the US? Midterm prep?
https://news.yahoo.com/most-reported-u-omicron-cases-182642515.html
If it's true that omicron prefers vaccinated, and it's already 30% of London cases and growing, then this should show up soon in UKHSA numbers.....If it's followed by an uptick in severe illness and deaths, disproportionate to the increased absolute infections, then the "not so mild" theory may play out. The UK's population is much older than South Africa's, and much less healthy and fatter than Denmark's. The UK with their excellent data will be where we can see in real life how omicron is going to affect western countries. The panic has already begun of course, get your popcorn.....
I think Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is saying something similar here. Because I'm not equipped to paraphrase it, I'll just paste the relevant sentences and you can read the article.
"However, it cannot be ruled out that Omicron will cause a more serious course of disease in individuals who were enrolled in aggressive mass vaccination campaigns initiated earlier in the pandemic (e.g., in Israel, UK, USA), or who belong to age groups that will require more training of their innate Abs to achieve a higher level of affinity (e.g., children). At any rate, vaccinees would be more affected than the unvaccinated as, in contrast to the latter, vaccination in a context of a pandemic of highly infectious variants prevents vaccinees from further training their innate immune system"
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/omicron-the-calm-before-the-tsunami
We need to ask how one goes to a hospital admission in this case. Do they collapse and call an ambulance? Do they simply walk in and ask to be admitted? Or are these people there for a routine check up and admitted because the tests came positive? If it is people collapsing, the numbers are important. If it is 2nd or 3rd option, this is probably administrators playing mischief and seeking somebody-please-look-at-me attention.
I can't figure out why people still use and cite PCR case data for any type of useful analysis or conclusions. It's well established that PCR testing cannot establish between live and dead nuclei nor can it differentiate between flus, colds and covid. Test cycle thresholds are never mentioned alongside the data, and somehow everyone seems to forget that even the FDA has determined that PCR testing is not suitable for its purpose and is certainly useless at the 40+ levels that many public health authorities use. Why S-Gene Target Failure would be an omicron marker is beyond me since such target failures have existed long before the current omicron "discovery" and panic was created: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778599 Please explain to me why unspecified PCR data results are even worthy of analysis?
Do I eat my crow now, or wait a bit? I will gladly do so if omicron turns out to be "da thing". If it spreads so well among the vaxxed, the whole booster scheme and the mandate thing may fall on its face "prematurely"? So, it wasn't planned by Bill&WEF?.. Did we luck out, for once? Don't wake me up!
"Kaiser said Wednesday that the 11 infected members of its Oakland Medical Center staff were fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and had received booster shots." I find this interesting, it seems all 11 were 3 doses. This may explain why the Fauci cabal is trying to get the double vax'd boosted. It may indeed provide a small window of protection though I believe this window to get smaller with each dose based on the data out of Israel. Some of the double vax'd are a pretty good ways outside the 6 month window. If I had to take a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) at it I would bet many of these people outside the 6mo window have very weak immune systems.
I guess we’ll find out soon but those predicted hospitalization numbers are very concerning. The only light possibly being that the unvaccinated faring better but I’m sure that narrative will get twisted (and given almost all my family and friends are vaxxed I don’t want to see anyone sick)
Thank you for reporting and analysing this data, Igor. I appreciate your cautious approach, given the typical hysteria we're seeing everywhere else.
Is asymptomatic infection really established or is it possibly presymptomatic or low symptomatic instead? If it's truly asymptomatic then the vaxx passports and vaxxed-only events are probably spreading Omicron, which might explain why it's hitting the vaxxed more--they are more likely to gather indoors. And of course, many if not most of them lack any logical thought and think they cannot get it from another vaccinated person.
Of course these numbers do not include those who are sick but just stay home and don't go to the doctor or hospital. So don't assume (and I know you don't) that these numbers are anything but a fraction of the infections.
Interesting post with some Omicron thoughts at https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/
Curious why the comparison with the US for hospitalization projections? The US is 40% obese. Danes 15%.
Igor,
What do you say to the latest piece from Berenson? I know you subscribed to him, but here it is again: :)
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-stunning-data-from-south-africa/comments
Doesn’t this also show the ongoing trend of getting the 1st shot making you highly susceptible to any strain of exposed in near vaccination? In all data that breaks it out I’ve seen a trend from the beginning that these “unvaccinated” people who actually got the 1st shot make up a highly disproportionate percentage of positive symptomatic cases, hospitalizations, and deaths - are you seeing that, or am I misinterpreting the data?